DB Prediction: Rankin Bass Battle Royale
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(Scumbag Steve)
Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer
Jack Frost, The Spirit of Winter
Frosty, the Living Snow Man
and Santa Clause, the Jolly Fatman himself
All icons of Rankin Bass Christmas specials, bring Christmas spirit and nostalgic memories to many this time of year.... But which one would win in a battle to the Death?
But before anything I have to get one important question out of the way, what will be used for each character. Of course, we will be using the original Rankin Bass specials, but any specials or movies created after the rights for the characters had been sold off CAN be used just as long as they follow closely enough to the original.
So along with the original with the OG list of films, these characters appear in
-Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer (1964)
-Frosty the Snowman (1969)
-Santa Clause is Comin to Town (1970)
-Here comes peter cotton tail (1971)
-Year without a Santa Clause (1974)
-Frosty's Winter Wonderland (1976)
-Rudolph's Shiny Newyear (1976)
-Nestor the Long-Eared Christmas Donkey (1977
-Rudolph and Frosty Christmas in July (1979)
-Jack Frost (1979)
-Pinocchio's Christmas (1980)
-Life and Adventure of Santa Clause (1985)
I and the others will also be including
-Frosty Returns (1992)
-Rudolph and the Island of Misfit Toys (2001)
-Legend of Frosty the Snowman (2005)
as well as any tie in videogames or commercials
So with all that out of the way, I think we can begin covering our four characters.
Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer
"Rudolph, with your nose so bright, won't you guide my sleigh tonight?"
Rudolph has uhhh, let's say a not-so-pleasant upbringing.
His parents were disappointed in his red nose at birth, Santa didn't want him to pull his slay, and non of the other reindeer wanted him to play in the Reindeer games.
The poor young Rudolph couldn't handle it anymore and ran off thinking it was the best for everyone. But not all was so bad for the young buck, he came across Hermey the Elf Dentist and Yukon Cornelious the Gold Miner. Two that just like Rudolph never seemed to fit in, they all just being a bunch of misfits.
They would traverse across the North Pole, but in the end, Rudolph found his way back home. Just in time too, with a thick fog drawing ever so closer in, Santa was near ready to call this year's Christmas off. But like a shiny beacon of hope, Rudolph's shiny nose saved the day. He saved Christmas and went on to have many more adventures.
Yukon and Hermes....idk about them man. Maybe Santa had them eliminated because they weren't as profitable as a talking reindeer
General Accomplishments/Feats:
-Saved Christmas for the entire word (Rudolph the Red Nosed Reigndeer
-Rescued the Baby New Year, allowing time to move forward (Rudolph's Shiny New Year)
-Stopped the Toy Takers crime spree (Island of the Misfit Toys)
-Has the shortest fucking dame of all time (Less than 20 minutes of actual gameplay)
-Has the worst Movie I have ever seen, don't watch Island of Misfit Toys
Physical Stats:
-Traverses across the entire world in one night
-Can carry Santas sleigh with the help of eight other reindeer
-Had a stalactite broken over his head (Rudolph the Red Nosed Reignder)
-Survived being caught in an avalanche (Shiny New Year)
While not much of a list of physical feats, what he does have is quite impressive. Moving at 3,000 times faster than sound while weighed down by a several thousand-pound sleighs is CRAZY for a young deer. Not to mention he has a few powers to back it up.
Shiny Nose:
-A gift given to Rudoph moments after birth by Lady Borealis to combat Winterbolt (Christmas in July)
-Can cut through dark and fog like a knife through butter
-The heat from the nose is enough to melt through snow (Shiny New Year)
Flight:
-A hereditary trait from his father, given as a magical gift from the Winter Worlock (Later named Winter)
-Its flight lol, what do you want me to say
Cold Resistance:
-Has lived in the north pole his entire life, and can even survive dips in ice cold water (Island of Misfit Toys)
But even with everyone now loving the young buck, Rudolph still has his fair share of weaknesses holding him down.
Weaknesses:
-Any act of evil stops his nose from shining
-Is still young and naive, and has been tricked in the past
-While he does have some fighting experience, it is definitely not his prominent trait
Santa Clause
"Come on. There's a lot more chimneys to explore tonight!"
Good ol Santa Clause, what battle to the death is complete without him? We all know about how, out of the kindness of his heart, he brings toys to all the good boys and girls on Christmas eve. But do you know the origins of Kris Kringle?
Well turns out the old toy maker was left abandoned on the doorstep of Burgermeister Meisterburger. Too bad that the Meister doesn't fuck with that shit so he ordered his men to take off with the young baby. But as they trekked through the snowy woods, the baby got separated from the soldiers. Luckily for the young Santa, he was found by the Kringle family who took him in, raised him, and taught him everything there is to toy making
As he grew older, the now Kris Kringle would bring toys to all the kids in town. And even after the Burgermeister outlawed his toys and sent him off to prison, he was still able to escape and spread joy not only to that small town. But to the hole entire world.
General Feats/Accomplishments:
-Brings toys and joy all across the world every year on Christmas eve
-The most well known Christmas icon of all time
-Melted the icy heart of the Winter Worlock (Santa Clause is Comin to Town)
-Returned Peter Rabbit's Easter Eggs from the evil Irontail (Here Comes Peter Cottontail)
-Saved his fellow combatant Frosty by bringing him to the North Pole (Frosty the Snowman)
At the first glace Santa may just seem as your average fat guy. And while for the most part that is true, he does have his fair few solid feats
Physical Stats:
-Can lift his entire bag of toys without any help
-Can knock down several of Burgermeister's soldiers (Santa Claus is Comin to Town the Videogame)
-Has the endurance to put on hundreds of pounds every Christmas season (Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer)
-Quite agile, able to scale up buildings with little effort (Santa Claus is Comin to Town)
Another area he is defiantly lacking is would have to be abilities. Since out of the four Kris is the least magical of the bunch
Abilities:
-Granted the ability to use snow to see the location of anyone he desires by the Winter Worlock (Santa Clause is Comin to Town)
-Can fly through the air by kicking his legs back and forth (Santa Clause is Comin to Town)
-Speaks fluently with animals (Frosty the Snowman)
-Learned how to slide on ice like a seal, hop like a bunny, and run on ice without skates (Santa Clause is Comin to Town)
But where he does take advantage would easily be weaponry
Crafting Tools:
-Uses a variety of hammers and saws to craft toys
Sack of Toys:
-A large sack he carries all toys for good girls and boys in
-While not filled with knives or guns, it should have things like Baseball Bats that could easily be used as weapons
Sleight:
-A large sleigh pulled by his eight reindeer (Not counting Rudolph for obvious reasons)
-Capable to traversing the entire world in just one night
Santa Suit:
-Helps Kris resist the harsh environment of the North Pole without freezing over
That's uhh, not as impressive of a list as I thought. Huh
Weaknesses:
-The most vulnerable to cold of the bunch
-Can get really depressed and unmotivated if he thinks people don't believe in him anymore
-Arguably has the worst endurance of the bunch
Jack Frost
"Even if you never saw him, you have seen his work"
We all love to talk about all these reindeer, snowmen, and jolly fat men during the winter season. But what about the ones who bring the season here to begin with?
Jack Frost. the mischievous sprite who brings winter to the world. He doesn't really have much of a backstory compared to the others. All we see in his movie is that he falls in love with a girl, tries to marry her, and then he gets blue balls in the end.
He also just became a huge dick in later movies, so maybe the letdown didn't go to well with him. Or maybe the writers just needed him to act that way for the story to work, both are just about as likely.
General Feats/Accomplishments:
-Defeated the Evil Cossack King Kubla Kraus, destroying his robot army (Jack Frost)
-Saved Frosty and his Family from death (Rudolph and Frosty's Shiny New Year)
-Not much else he appears in like 2 fucking movies
Now thats not the MOST impressive list of acomplishments of all time, but atlease he makes up for it with some semi decent physical feats
Physical Feats:
-Can survive a fall from the clouds after being turned into a human (Jack Frost)
-Survived being charged by King Kubla (Jack Frost)
-Flew from earth to above the clouds in around 20 seconds (Jack Frost)
But Jack isnt much of a physical person, in fact he normally isnt physical at all being an intangible sprite. Which leads into some of Jack's abilities
Invisibility and Intangibility:
-To the normal person, Jack is completley untouchable, unhearable, and unseeable
Ice Manipulation:
-Can freeze things over with just a touch (Frosty's Winter Wonderland)
-His breath is pure frost, allowing him to freeze things as large as a castle with just a breath (Jack Frost)
Flight:
-As a sprite, Jack can freely fly around
Summoning:
-Can call assitance from Father Winter, who can create blizzards so intence they freeze over mountains and last weeks at a time (Jack Frost)
But while Jack does arguably have the best movie of the bunch, he also has some of the worst weaknesses
Weaknesses:
-Pretty much everyone here can see Jack's sprite body
-His Ice Breath does nothing but benefit Frosty
-Essentially a Glass Canon, with his best durability feat being only around the wall ranges
Frosty the Snowman
"Happy Birthday!"
Frosty the Snow Man was a fairy tale they say, he was made of snow but all the children know how he came to life that day. Or more importantly, this man-child knows how he did.
It all happened on your average boring school day around the holiday season. The kids hussed and fussed around in their desks just waiting for their class to be over so they could go home and wait for Santa's arrival. Not even the magic talent and talent is definitely being generous, of Professor Hinkle could brighten their mood.
But when the end of the day finally came, the children rushed outside into the snowy winter wonderland outside. To get into the Christmas spirit, all the children came together to build a snowman. With a head, body, legs far to small to give any support, a corncob pipe and a button nose, and two eyes made out of cole, this perfect snowman was almost complete. All they needed was a hat.
And luckily enough the magic hat of Professor Hinkle had come by just in time, being angry throughout by the subpar magician. The children put the hat on the snowman's head and well there must have been some magic in that old silk hat around, for when they placed it on his head he began to dance around.
Thus became, Frosty the Snowman
General Feats/Accomplishments:
-Befriended Jack Frost and gave him a change of heart (has no effect on this verdict) (Frosty's Winter Wonderland)
-Brought fun back to Evergreen (Legend of Frosty the Snowman)
-Taught Beansburrow to appreciate the Winter Season (Frosty Returns)
-Had a wife, and even raised two kids
-Lefts such a big impact his return is celebrated with a yearly parade
-In one of the shittiest crossovers ever with fellow combatant Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer
Standing in at a respectable 6 feet and a staggering weight of 600 pounds, Frosty on the outlook may seem no more impressive than the average person if even that. He can barely count past five, his special skills are limited to skating, juggling, and fucking sweeping, and he barely has any knowledge of the outside world whatsoever. His physical stats even reflect on this
Physical Stats
-Threw a small child several feet through the air (Legend of Frosty the Snowman)
-Lifted and threw a large snowball (Legend of Frosty the Snowman)
-Made a perfect replica in seconds(Legend of Frosty the Snowman)
-Can move much faster while belly-sliding down snowy hills (Frosty the Snowman)
Which...ya know, is fairly impressive for a snowman but looking at what everyone else can do physically its a bit...lacking to say the least.
...Buuuuuuuuut that's just looking into his snowman bodies. For some reason in the 2005 movie, we learn that Frosty is actually his magical hat. And as the hat, he is capable of freely flying around and interacting with the world. And oddly enough this hat gets its own physical stats surprisingly more impressive than the standard snowman body
Physical Stats (Hat):
-Can break out of multiple heavily chained boxes (Legend of Frosty the Snowman)
-Carry's around a kid while flying(Legend of Frosty the Snowman)
-Can spin fast enough to create cyclones(Legend of Frosty the Snowman)
Not that it's quite the step up. But not as big of a step as we take when looking at Frosty's abilities...
Snowman Body:
-Pretty much immune to pain, having things lodged inside him without any pain whatsoever
-Can take off and reattach his own head
-Can increase his own size by rolling in snow
-His body parts can act separate of each other
-Can skate across ice without the need of any ice skates
-Can roll around like a snowball
-Well built for sliding down snowy hills
-Virtually immune to any and all cold temperatures
Magic Hat Abilities:
-Can perfectly shape piles of snow into new bodies
-Can magically swap itself with other hats
-Can freely fly around
-Can create mini frosties
-Can create cyclones
Other Magic Abilities:
-Shows some level of fourth wall awareness
-Can morph ice into his desired shape
-His chilly breath is cold enough to create ice, even freezing over large areas of ground
-Can perfectly mold snow with his breath
-Somehow changed the color of snow, as it reverted back after the snowman fell apart
-Can cause snow to fall from the sky, even covering a town in several feet of it in one night
-Can bring other snowmen to life (requires either an act of love or to give the snowman something specific to them, EX a preacher snowman being given the bible brings him to life)
-Instantly reformed after having a hole blown through him, and can reform from even a puddle as long as their is winter wind
-Can travel on winters wind
-Caused the words of a little girl to travel on small clouds
-Created a star to illuminate the night
Yeah i bet non of you expected the living snowman of the Rankin Bass Cinematic Universe to be their version of the Sorcerer Supreme did you?
But sadly, my boy cant have everything. Being just as many flaws as his movies.
Weaknesses:
-Any extended time in warm weather is deadly for him (although according to this calc it may not be all that damaging in a fight like this especially)
-A dip in water completely dissolves his body almost instantly
-VERY dumb to the ways of the world
-His body becomes useless without his magic hat
Verdicts
Scumbag Steve
This debate can really be seperated in two, who wins between Santa and Rudolph
and who wins between Frosty and Jack
Since Santa and Rudolph have no shot at that at 2nd or 1st. But the debate between them is interesting. Rudolph is only a 9th as powerful as Santa is with Rudolph needing 8 other reigndeer to lift the weight Santa does on his own. But Rudolph is MASSIVELY faster than Santa, reaching speeds santa need a sleigh to acomplish.
Rudolph also keeps a solid durability edge over santa, not to mention his natural and more free movment flight compared to Santa gives Rudolph the mobility edge as well. True Santa has him beat in experience and equipment, but in the end I would still give it to Rudolph. Bein so much faster and agile I doubt Santa would ever get the hit he needed before being killed by one of the other combatants
Frosty and Jack fucking slaughter tho. Their abilities just outdo anything the others could dream of, making both essentially unkillable by any means the other two could accomplish.
But these two have and even harder debate between them than even Rudolph and Santa
Frost takes sheer AP and Durability, not to mention he has the highest immunity to Jack's frost magic than anyone else who only has minor resistance. Not to mention Frosty's hat CAN teleport, making it near impossible for Jack to put Frosty down for good.
But Jack has his advanteges. Like his much greater controle over ice and frost, with Frosty at best just freezing over some ground while Jack can cover entire castle in frost. And dont even get me started on Father Winter, who can send out frost and snow without even being in the area.
So in the end I feel Frosty takes this. Maybe if he hadnt been shown interacting with Jack in the past, Jack could have taken it do to being unscensable by anyone else. But too bad Rankin Bass had to have a crossover that makes that advantage null and void.
So for me, the winner is Frosty the Snowman
Steve's Ranking
4. Santa
3. Rudolph
2. Jack Frost
1. Frosty
Shimish
I was the one to ask my friends to debate this as I think it was hilarious to seriously make a fight for fuckin rankin bass. Until we went too in and realized these dudes are pretty strong.
So here is the owner’s prediction
4th: Rudolph We decided the bottom 2 really quickly I still think despite studio’s arguments Santa barley beats Rudolph with better abilities
Rudolph is the second weakest but Jack Frost is way better thanks to speed and intangibty
Santa is way physically stronger
Rudolph’s best edge is if he goes for a hit and run technique but that’s gonna be shit against Jack Frost and Frosty and Rudolph wouldn’t know to do that as bro is a child and has shit combat experience as he could have used that against the fucking bumble
If you try to make the argument Rudolph can have the other reindeer turn against Santa that wouldn’t work as the other reindeers hate that mf
He could try outlasting Santa as it is a close debate between Rudolph and Santa but Rudolph’s durability is so shit that 1 hit from anyone is gonna kill him.
Third is Santa
He lacks the hax to keep up with JF and F
He is the physical strongest as Frosty needs to use his abilities and Jack needs Father Winter
But Santa needs to use snow to even see Jack and he can’t hit him just because he can see him
And once frosty uses his magic it’s over for Santa
2nd: Frosty
With the highest A.P and durability Frosty seems like a shoe in but
1st: Jack Frost
Now just because I analyzed him doesn’t mean I’m biased. I do believe Jack Frost takes it against frosty in a really close fight
The main advantages for Jack is his Blitz and the knowing of Frosty’s weakness
If Frosty gets his magic off than Jack is Dead
And his snow attacks would be useless against a mf made of snow
But if Jack can just touch the hat then Frosty is done
He can even use his first breath to have a range attack which is what he did in the movie
So overall Jack Frost: contThe most forgotten one on the list claims victory over the rest It really was Snow Joke over how close this battle was.
The Winner is Jack Frost
Rudolph (4th)+stronger than Jack Frost+ Faster than Santa and Frosty+ flight is better than Santa - no good hax - weaker than Santa and Frosty- flight is kinda wonky as he loses his flight often - overpriced snow globe
Santa (3rd)+physically strongest + most weapons and equipment +best durability - Slowest - no Flight without sleigh - no good hax - mascot of capitalism
Frosty (2nd)+ Best AP+ most abilities + faster than Santa + can resist cold attacks - hat is a big weak point - slower than Jack and Rudolph - without the hat he is inanimate - is cousins with a fucking Reindeer
Jack Frost (1st)+ Best Abilties + Best Speed + father winter is stronger than Santa and Rudolph + can’t be seen by 2/4 of the combatants + knows to target Frosty’s weaknesses - weakest - no good weapons - can be one shot by frosty - got cucked
Mr Bob
The Winner is Jack Frost
Studio
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‘Ello everyone. T’is me, Studio, a (somewhat) fresh face to blogs as a whole. As an invited member of this whole blog slog, I’ve become the 4th Scrooge amidst everyone. Pretty interesting to come aboard the blog train with a unique matchup, I will say.
But enough about me. So, the Rankin Bass Royale, eh? Classic Christmas Carols going about to beat one another in fisticuffs. Pretty funny and interesting if I say so myself.
This royale focuses on the mainstream films, and that’s what I’ll be focusing on as well. I’ll be bringing up several points about other movies from Rankin Bass, though, to be as decisive as I can.
Speaking of decisive, let’s discuss the biggest can of worms of this whole debacle: This fight is between two feuding 4th and 3rd and the other two for 2nd and 1st.
Yeah, this match isn’t the fairest of them all. 1st and 2nd place can outright Deck the Halls with 3rd and 4th’s innards from the word “Go!” with a single blow and/or well-timed attack. Regardless, it’s surprisingly good in discussing the wincons of everyone here.
I’d argue the first loser, the proper last place, goes to:
Poor, poor Santa. He seemed to get higher, and we initially believed that. But while the others may not be sure on his placement, as far as I know, I do believe he gets dead last for a variety of reasons.
Speed-wise, he’s easily the worst in speed and mobility. Rudolph has Massively Hypersonic scaling, Jack Frost reaches Hypersonic speed scaling and flight, and Frosty gets Superhuman. All three of them can fly on their own accord. Santa… has neither of those things in standard play and relies on his sled of reindeer to save him.
He might be City level in AP, but lacking firm mobility outside of one item that can be destroyed and cancelled with the slew of powers at play isn’t great. Frosty’s AP? Dead. Father Winter? Dead. Frosty and Jack’s power-slots? Because of his lack of mobility, dead!
Rudolph’s the only one who I argue can’t kill Santa, given the gap between Small Town and City. That said, there’s nothing stopping him from just… flying away. Santa’s sleigh needs time to get to Santa, and he’s not gonna bode well against a snowman who snaps him like a twig and an invisible and intangible annoyance.
Sure, Santa has a plethora of weapons. Shame a lot of them don’t have as much purpose facing two of the three opponents. And again, Rudolph can just run/fly away, why he can do thanks to his superior speed.
Can’t catch Rudolph reliably, can’t hit Jack, and poking the snowman bear is gonna rip him a new one. He may be holly and jolly, but that’s all Santa has going for him here.
As for Third Place, we have:
Ah, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer. Had a shiny nose, now he has a mantle that his head resides on.
Truth be told, this l’il shit just barely edged Santa out for 3rd. I said that he wouldn’t be able to kill Santa because of the AP and durability gap, but his speed and flight were enough to avoid ho-ho-holding the fat L. I mean, Jack Frost is in the Top Two, and it’s thanks to his maneuverability and speed, so blitzing beyond what can be struck is quite usable.
Unfortunately, that’s all Rudolph has going for him.
This animal legitimately has almost nothing to use. His AP and speed are useful, sure, but he’s still limited. Flight, glowing nose, and not much else. He’s got less of an arsenal than Santa, and the only reason I believe he edges out over the jolly toymaker is his speed letting him live just a bit longer. And I mean a bit longer.
Frosty is a big hurdle. Rudolph’s nose can melt snow, sure, but he has to be right up to the snow and glow on it for several seconds. The difference between Star and Small Town is a Grand Canyon sized gap to say the least, and Frosty’s superhuman speed and plethora of AoE and deadly abilities kinda spells the reindeer’s doom. There’s a film that could help with Frosty, but we’ll discuss that at a later point.
As for Jack Frost, Rudolph does outshine in AP, surprisingly enough. City Block doesn’t match against Small Town, and both are shockingly similar in speed. But remember, Jack Frost is invisible and intangible to the normal eye. There’s only one instance that Rudolph has interacted with an intangible and invisible entity which, again, will be discussed at a different point.
Plus, we shouldn’t forget Father Winter. Even if Jack was in over his head with Rudolph kicking his ass, he can just call Father Winter to perform a Mountain level attack, and reindeer giblets would be raining from the sky.
Even if he could get past the stat gap and intangibility, it’s not gonna help as much. His lack of experience and powers really hinders him here, as he’s pretty much bad in a fight to say the least. (Granted, all of them technically are, but Rudolph probably being the youngest just makes it even worse)
So, yeah. Santa in 4th, and Rudolph in 3rd. So, it boils down to Frosty and Jack Frost. Who’d Rank first in kicking the other’s B-ass? Well, that’d be:
NOT Frosty.
He had Superhuman speeds thanks to his winds and was quite strong. But really, he was second?
Let’s just look through his powers and-
*Versatility up the ass*
*Can regenerate from being melted into a puddle*
*Can regenerate any lost snow*
Like, how!? We generally expected something like Mountain or lower, but fucking Star level!?
…he was gonna be a shoo-in for Second or even First place regardless. That AP gap may be really damn good, but he can weaponize and increase his size thanks to snow and can just regenerate thanks to said snow. That shuts down Rudoph and Santa’s options of victory, since neither know about the hat nor could be hard pressed to push any advantage they have.
Above all else, though, it means he could take out Jack Frost. He can bypass Jack’s invisible and intangible nature, and he’s far stronger and more durable. His durability and snow absorption and weaponization mean he also negates Father Winter. One good hit, and Jack’s a goner.
The only hurdles Frosty faces are that his hat is the source of his life and that the last challenger knows and has methods to take it off.
By now, everyone should realize who I’m gunning for with the victory. Without a doubt, I believe the winner should be:
Shocking, eh? I mean, Jack Frost was the direct weakest in AP and durability, but he wasn’t a shoo-in for the bottom slots. Remember, his mobility, invisibility, and intangibility made ir hard for two of the four to see, nevertheless hurt, him.
City Block AP and durability is easily the weakest of the bunch, lower than feckin’ Rudolph even. But calling in Father Winter, which is standard for him, and he gets a good Mountain boost to his power. It just kills Rudolph and Santa, so why is there still a debate?
Shockingly enough, the only character that stands a good chance against Jack is Frosty. Frosty is the only character who has canonically interacted with Jack Frost, and thus can bypass his intangible nature. As well, his snow body and absorbing snow could bypass even Father Winter’s AP and usefulness in a general sense. Shit, it’s possible a good hit could outright one-shot Jack.
The problem for Frosty, then, is that Jack has a direct counter to literally anything Frosty could do: just go for the hat. While Frosty can interact with Jack, and thus oneshot him, Jack knows about Frosty’s weakness.
Jack was able to blow Frosty’s hat off his head, but he can also freeze the hat or just swipe it off himself. It’s apparent he could take advantage of it here, since him canonically meeting Frosty has shown he nearly killed him when he blew his hat off.
Now, that wouldn’t be a full counter to Frosty… but Jack is far faster than the snowman. Like, he reacts far faster, moves faster, and can fly a lot more freely. Frosty is going to struggle to keep up with someone who has options to distract him with stuff like freezing his body, using Father Winter, or just being a fly and swarming all around him.
Yeah, sure, Jack dies in one good hit to Frosty. Rudolph, too, if you include a certain source. But he’s consistently going to place first above everyone else because of the circumstances around his win. There’s a lot less bullshit to decipher than thinking if Frosty could get lucky with a hit before Frost does something that he both knows and canonically did from an interaction before.
Now to point out several counterarguments that are important to discuss:
“Doesn’t Rudolph know about Jack Frost and Frosty, thus negating their possible advantages?”
It’s true that in the movie Rudolph and Frosty’s Christmas in July, Rudolph knows Frosty and Jack Frost knows both. The problem here is the context. This movie insinuates that Rudolph and Frosty are cousins, which kinda mucks up the lore of both stories. I mean, they have red noses, are Christmas themed, and can perform holiday miracles, I guess?
But that just complicates everything. How the hell do a snowman and reindeer relate outside of those niche connections? Like, I’m genuinely curious. Frosty canonically had a family with a snowwoman and had children, and none of them resembled Rudolph in any capacity. Even accounting the red nose is useless, as both Mr. and Mrs. Frosty have a red nose. Shit, their light manipulation works differently- one by their nose, the other by their powers and not from their nose- so it’s just way too much of a conundrum to try and wrap one’s head around it all.
Even if we were to include, it wouldn’t change much. Rudolph could be able to take Frosty down with the possible knowledge of his hat, but Jack would actively be targeting Frosty from the get-go. And being blunt, there’s little chance Rudolph could defeat Jack with his slew of powers and general maneuverability.
“Would Rudolph be able to band together the reindeer of Santa’s sleigh to give himself a better chance?”
This… could be viable for reaching second. Having the other reindeer for a good distraction while Rudolph goes for Frosty’s hat is a legitimate wincon that could come up. Problem is, that requires a few steps:
1. Santa summoning his sleigh before he dies.
2. Santa’s reindeer trusting this totally new reindeer off the bat.
3. The reindeer (Rudolph included) not getting fucking slaughtered by Frosty and Jack’s powers.
Even if this managed to let Rudolph take Frosty down, that wouldn’t help with Jack. Remember, Father Winter is a scary force to face, and Rudolph lacks the options to even approach Jack without getting reduced to an ice block.
AND on top of that, it would require Santa’s reindeer to trust Rudolph in following his orders, which requires them getting used to a reindeer they don’t know and has never been introduced in their canon. Plus, not only has Rudolph almost never commanded others for assistance in specific directions, it would only work IF they fully agree with him.
“Wouldn’t Santa’s sleigh scaling make Santa at the Hypersonic range?”
Technically yes, but realistically no. He’d have the reactions of Massively Hypersonic, but he’s got no shot at avoiding attacks. Reaction-wise he may be fast, but travel speed and reaction speed are two different things. Plus, Frosty and Father Winter just have too wide an Area of Effect to reliably escape from.
Rudolph and Jack can move and fly freely, hence why I was fine with their Hypersonic speeds. And Frosty’s… well, Superhuman fast. Reactions don’t matter as much when your foes can still catch you.
“Would Frosty’s plethora of powers be enough? I mean, he has far superior AP and normal durability, so who’ to say he couldn’t defeat Jack with his slew of powers?”
Uhm, speed. Jack Frost is too mobile and fast with his scaling and nautral flight. Since Frosty relies on using his Wind Manipulation to fly, he could be left as a sitting duck, his attacks missing where Jack Frost dodges time after time. After all, Hypersonic is quite faster than Superhuman.
“Would adding any advertisements and/or video games change anything?”
Uhm… no. Neither Rudolph nor Santa get anything truly important enough to change the verdict. And that also applies to Frosty, apparently. I checked myself, and uh nothing interesting nor viable came up to spice the debate.
No need to check for Jack, then. If his competition have nothing to change the tides, then he doesn’t need advertisement research. Sorry all Rankin’ Bass Jack Frost advertisement stans, all two of you. It just isn’t your lucky day.
“Doesn’t Rudolph have an in-person interactive experience to help with anything?”
Could provide better size scaling for accuracy in measuring feats, but other than that, no. In fact, the argument of a $75 Rudolph snow globe at the event just sits wrong with me.
And, uh, yeah, that’s game. This was a surprisingly interesting bout to discuss, and I do mean it. The plethora of hax and powers at play made it interesting to decipher who’d unwrap the present of victory. Unfortunately for Frosty, Rudolph and Santa, Jack Frost just had the knowledge, flight, and speed to FREEZE the competition!
Conclusion
The Winner is....a Tie
Between the four of us, non were able to decide who would win between Frosty and Jack, with a 50/50 split between the hosts. So those who have read through the reasoning and research, give us your thoughts on the winner down in the comments. Which host do you agree with? Or are you still thinking the underdogs of Santa or Rudolph take this bout? Tell us below and one of us will try to respond to any debates or questions
But with all that vs stuff out of the way I just want to say that we all over here at the Four Stooges you all had a fantastic holiday season. We would have liked to have a Christmas release, but their was a lot working against it so the New Year seemed like the best option
Idk if we will ever do another one of these, but I suppose only time will tell.
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